[Enigmail] spontaneous change of message status

Philip Jackson philip.jackson at nordnet.fr
Mon Mar 16 13:43:47 CET 2015

On 16/03/15 08:40, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
> On 14.03.15 17:39, Philip Jackson wrote:
>> On 14/03/15 15:22, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
>>> On 13.03.15 20:06, Philip Jackson wrote:
>>>> On 13/03/15 17:16, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
>>>>> On 13.03.15 15:45, Philip Jackson wrote:
>>>>>>>> For this spontaneous change to occur, one needs these 
>>>>>>>> factors to exist :
>>>>>>>> 1. the 'To' field is in red type (with a red cursor)
>>>>>>>> 2. the 'To' field must be completed and not left blank
>>>>>>>> 3. the spontaneous change in message status occurs
>>>>>>>> around five or six minutes into the creation of the
>>>>>>>> email - the body can be blank or partly filled.
>>>>>>> Could it be triggered by auto-saving a draft message?
>>>>>> Thanks Patrick - you're spot on !  After all the years of
>>>>>> using it, I didn't even know Thunderbird did periodic
>>>>>> backups.  I've never seen a backup directory in the file
>>>>>> system nor in the profiles. However, it was doing a backup
>>>>>> every 5 minutes.
>>>>>> I was rather inexact in the original description above.
>>>>>> Only the different check box is ticked.  The change in the
>>>>>> displayed message status and the icons on the enigmail
>>>>>> toolbar doesn't happen until I click 'ok'.
>>>>>>>> What I don't understand is why sometimes I get a red 
>>>>>>>> cursor/ text in the 'To' field and sometimes black.  I
>>>>>>>> can provoke a red address field entry by making any
>>>>>>>> address incomplete but my address for enigmail-users
>>>>>>>> seems correct and complete.
>>>>>>> That's Thunderbird behavior - nothing Enigmail
>>>>>>> influences and nothing Enigmail could do to improve it.
>>>>>> True.  But I still don't understand why sometimes
>>>>>> Thunderbird considers the To address broken.  The emails
>>>>>> always arrive at destination ok.  And it is not consistent
>>>>>> for any given address.
>>>>>>>> But I do consider that a spontaneous change to
>>>>>>>> established message conditions should not occur.
>>>>>>> Agreed
>>>>>> The change induced by Thunderbird seems to be one way only
>>>>>> : sign -> encrypt. It doesn't reverse itself back to 'sign
>>>>>> only' after a further backup period. But if you reset to
>>>>>> 'sign only', after another backup period, it flips again to
>>>>>> encrypt.
>>>>> I'm trying to reproduce it, but so far didn't succeed. What
>>>>> are your account settings and other rules when this happens?
>>>> My account settings on OpenPGP Security : enable PGP support,
>>>> Use specific PGP key, sign by default, PGP/MIME by default,
>>>> sign non encrypted messages, sign encrypted messages, encrypt
>>>> draft messages on saving.
>>>> Nothing set under account settings Security.
>>>> Enigmail preferences / Sending = Convenient encryption
>>>> settings, Key Selection : By Per-recipient, By email addresses
>>>> For this to happen when writing an email :
>>>> 1. Thunderbird preferences/Composition/General : check
>>>> autosave (every 5 minutes), confirm when using keyboard
>>>> shortcuts, check for missing attachments 2. 'To' field in email
>>>> must be red.  This happens at random for any given email
>>>> address but I can provoke it by breaking the address.  (I
>>>> assumed the red indicated that Thunderbird considered the
>>>> address broken ) 3.  The 'To' field must have an entry 4. The
>>>> enigmail setting for that email must be 'sign only'
>>>> Then just sit and wait for five minutes while checking the
>>>> enigmail toolbar button from time to time.
>>> I still cannot reproduce it. Could you send me a debug log file
>>> (menu Enigmail > Debugging Options > View Log)?
>> sent to you at your address.
>> Apart from the Thunderbird peculiarity of turning the address field
>> red (even though the address is already in my address book since
>> years), it looks like the tick box flips from 'sign' to 'encrypt'
>> when Thunderbird auto-saves a copy of the mail being prepared for
>> sending.
>> Unless the sender actually clicks on the enigmail button in the
>> enigmail toolbar and also clicks on ok, this autosave process
>> doesn't actually affect the final email status when it is sent.  If
>> it was originally 'sign' only, that is the way it gets sent.  The
>> encrypt only affects the auto-backup, as far as I can tell.
> This should be fixed with the latest nightly build.
Looks ok with 16 March nightly

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